ICD4与REAL ICE那个好

ICD4比真正的冰快，对于一些较大的存储部件来说，它的速度是它的两倍。把它看作是类固醇上的ICD3，并且会有更多的调试特性，而ICD3没有。



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    ICD4 is faster than REAL ICE, for some larger memory parts its twice as fast.  Think of it as an ICD3 on steroids and there will be more debug features added that ICD3 does not have.

更快，更少的钱比真正的冰？？？？？



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    Faster and Less Money than the Real ICE????

基于人们在Web上发布的内容（例如SEGGER比较），Read ICE的速度与ICD3相同。如果ICD4比ICD3快，那么它比实际的还要快。ICD4内部有较新的SPARAN-6 FPGA和PIC32。一定很快。另一方面，ICD3也有FPGA和DSPIC33，但在DSPIC33 EP芯片上的编程速度比基于PIC16F1454的单芯片设计慢3倍。如果ICD4比ICD3快2倍，那么仍有一些方法可以满足NSDSP的速度。



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Based on what people post on the Web (e.g. Segger comparisons), ReadICE is the same speed as ICD3. If ICD4 is faster than ICD3 then it is also faster than RealICE.
 
ICD4 has newer Sparan-6 FPGA and PIC32 inside. Must be very fast. On the other hand, ICD3 also had FPGA and dsPIC33, yet it was 3 times slower in programming dsPIC33EP chips than my single-chip design based on PIC16F1454. If ICD4 is only 2 times faster than ICD3, there's still some way to go to match NSDSP speed.
 

LOL：不管怎样，ICD4比每单位249.95美元的Realice要少得多：HTTP://www. McCHIIPDUNCT.COM/OptudiSalk.ASPX？关键词：DV164045



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LoL:
 
Anyway, ICD4 is less money than RealICE at US$249.95 per unit: http://www.microchipdirect.com/ProductSearch.aspx?Keywords=DV164045
 

我在这里看到很多猜测。我也有真正的冰和ICD3，真正的冰肯定更快。



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    I see a lot of speculation here. I also have real-ice and icd3, real-ice is definitely faster.

在上面的链接中的“支持设备”选项卡上，“残疾”是什么意思？我们刚刚买了一个Realice，我们是否应该归还它，取而代之的是ICD4？



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    On the "Supported Devices" tab in the above link, what does "disabled" mean?
 
We just bought a RealICE recently, should we return it and get this ICD4 instead?
 
 

Himaybe我错了，但我不认为ICE和ICD可以并排比较。真正的ICE是模拟器，而不是简单的调试器。只是我的2美分…最好。



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    Hi
 
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think and ICE and an ICD can be compared side by side.
Real  ICE is an emulator not a simple debugger.
 
 
Just my 2 cents...
 
 
Best regards
Jorge
 

基于人们在Web上发布的内容（例如SEGGER比较），Read ICE的速度与ICD3相同。如果ICD4比ICD3快，那么它比实际的还要快。ICD4内部有较新的SPARAN-6 FPGA和PIC32。一定很快。另一方面，ICD3也有FPGA和DSPIC33，但在DSPIC33 EP芯片上的编程速度比基于PIC16F1454的单芯片设计慢3倍。如果ICD4比ICD3快2倍，那么仍然有一些办法去测试NSDSP的速度。我相信它是基于高速USB A 300 MHz的ARM和FPGA的，比基于发布基准的2MB PIC32 MZ系列的NSDSP程序员快2.6X。在基于可用基准的最佳情况下，它比基于8位全速的基于HID的单芯片解决方案快*2.6x。？？？乍一看，它似乎相当保守，但可能是意图。不是一个优化的解决方案。



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Based on what people post on the Web (e.g. Segger comparisons), ReadICE is the same speed as ICD3. If ICD4 is faster than ICD3 then it is also faster than RealICE.
 
ICD4 has newer Sparan-6 FPGA and PIC32 inside. Must be very fast. On the other hand, ICD3 also had FPGA and dsPIC33, yet it was 3 times slower in programming dsPIC33EP chips than my single-chip design based on PIC16F1454. If ICD4 is only 2 times faster than ICD3, there's still some way to go to match NSDSP speed.
 




I believe it is based on HI-SPEED USB a 300MHz ARM and FPGA it is 2.6x faster than your NSDSP programmer for the 2Mb PIC32MZ family based on published benchmarks.
 
However! It is *only* 2.6x faster than a 8-bit FULL-SPEED HID based single chip solution in the best case based on available benchmarks. !?
 
 
At first glance it does seem to be rather conservative but may be that is the intention. Not an optimised solution IMHO.
 

Realice并不是一个“真正”的仿真器，它只是一个比较好的调试器。唯一的“真正”ICE芯片制作的是ICE2000和ICE4000。



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The RealICE is not a "real" emulator, it is just a fancier debugger.  The only "real" ICEs Microchip made are the ICE2000 and ICE4000.
 

这将使ICD4在19s左右完全编程2MB PIC32 MZ，包括引导内存。这还不错。理论上的最大值（大约10-15秒）是你无法超越的。19S离这不远。你在哪里找到统计数据的？



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This would put ICD4 at about 19s to completely program 2Mb PIC32MZ including the boot memory. This is not bad. There's a theoretical maximum (about 10-15s) which you cannot surpass. 19s is not that far from this.
 
Where did you find the statistics?
 

这将使ICD4在19s左右完全编程2MB PIC32 MZ，包括引导内存。这还不错。理论上的最大值（大约10-15秒）是你无法超越的。19S离这不远。你在哪里找到统计数据的？是的，我们同意我们的数学。这里是Vio.HtPS://www. Youtub.com /手表？V= yEdxC3Pyc



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This would put ICD4 at about 19s to completely program 2Mb PIC32MZ including the boot memory. This is not bad. There's a theoretical maximum (about 10-15s) which you cannot surpass. 19s is not that far from this.
 
Where did you find the statistics?
 


Yeap, we concur with our math. Here is the video. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeDXC3POLyc

HiThe RealICE并不是一个“真正”的仿真器，它只是一个比较好的调试器。唯一的“真正的”ICE芯片是ICE2000和ICE4000。谢谢，我没有意识到这一点。我只使用了PICTIT3和ICD3，并且一直认为这是一个仿真器。



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    Hi

The RealICE is not a "real" emulator, it is just a fancier debugger.  The only "real" ICEs Microchip made are the ICE2000 and ICE4000.



Thank you, I was not aware of that.
I have only used Pickit3 and ICD3, and allways tought that RealICE as an emulator.
 
Best rgards
Jorge
 

这是虚假广告和误导市场。：（



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It is false advertising and misleading marketing. :(
 

Fakice可能是一个更准确的名字。有没有人知道“真实”意味着什么，当它根本不是冰的时候？



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    FakeICE would have been a more accurate name.
Does anyone know what the "Real" was meant to imply, when it is not an ICE at all?
 

这是针对软件断点的，这些将在未来的MPLAX X版本中添加。



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That is for Software Breakpoints, and those will be added in a future MPLAB X release.